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		<title>By: links for 2010-01-20 &#124; Aram on Mason</title>
		<link>http://www.greglinch.com/2010/01/thinking-while-linking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2178</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2010-01-20 &#124; Aram on Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Linkbaiting, thinking while linking and why link journalism requires more than just a URL Talking about link-baiting and why gaming the web in that way devalues you and content everywhere. This article also takes you through the process of how to research a link. (tags: journalism links research) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Linkbaiting, thinking while linking and why link journalism requires more than just a URL Talking about link-baiting and why gaming the web in that way devalues you and content everywhere. This article also takes you through the process of how to research a link. (tags: journalism links research) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Linch</title>
		<link>http://www.greglinch.com/2010/01/thinking-while-linking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2175</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Linch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eileen: Haha, I know the feeling. 

Some context on my blog comments: 

- I require people to include a name and email to comment.  
- The Akismet WordPress plugin catches almost all the spam comments I receive. 
- I have comments set up to auto-approve if the person has had a comment previously approved (I only did this recently after an onslaught of spam comments).

For those held for moderation, I&#039;m usually am able to judge the commenter in one or two steps.

First, what data have they left about themselves? Specifically, does their email address or website seem suspicious?

Second, what&#039;s in the content in their comment? Sometimes it&#039;s something very benign that seems like a typical comment, but others like to try to hide a spammy URL in there.

If there&#039;s no website, the email looks normal and the comment is somewhat substantive, I&#039;ll allow it. Judging solely by the content you mentioned -- &quot;found your blog on delicious&quot; or &quot;love this post&quot; -- I&#039;d presume guilt until found innocent. 

I don&#039;t put too much time into vetting the typical comment, but I usually err on the side of being safe. For my blog, I know almost all the legit commenters or can look them up easily. 

I hope that&#039;s helpful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eileen: Haha, I know the feeling. </p>
<p>Some context on my blog comments: </p>
<p>- I require people to include a name and email to comment.<br />
- The Akismet WordPress plugin catches almost all the spam comments I receive.<br />
- I have comments set up to auto-approve if the person has had a comment previously approved (I only did this recently after an onslaught of spam comments).</p>
<p>For those held for moderation, I&#8217;m usually am able to judge the commenter in one or two steps.</p>
<p>First, what data have they left about themselves? Specifically, does their email address or website seem suspicious?</p>
<p>Second, what&#8217;s in the content in their comment? Sometimes it&#8217;s something very benign that seems like a typical comment, but others like to try to hide a spammy URL in there.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s no website, the email looks normal and the comment is somewhat substantive, I&#8217;ll allow it. Judging solely by the content you mentioned &#8212; &#8220;found your blog on delicious&#8221; or &#8220;love this post&#8221; &#8212; I&#8217;d presume guilt until found innocent. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t put too much time into vetting the typical comment, but I usually err on the side of being safe. For my blog, I know almost all the legit commenters or can look them up easily. </p>
<p>I hope that&#8217;s helpful!</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen Mignoni</title>
		<link>http://www.greglinch.com/2010/01/thinking-while-linking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2174</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen Mignoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve started using this criteria for judging blog comments.  It&#039;s helpful, but sometimes I worry I am going to far.

Nearly every comment I get on my blog seems like spam.  It&#039;s making me crazy - lots of vague things like &quot;found your blog on delicious&quot; or &quot;love this post&quot; by people I don&#039;t know.  Some are obvious, when they have products in their name.  Others not so, when it&#039;s someone&#039;s blog.

Do you have advice?  Should I be ruling heavy handed or lightly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve started using this criteria for judging blog comments.  It&#8217;s helpful, but sometimes I worry I am going to far.</p>
<p>Nearly every comment I get on my blog seems like spam.  It&#8217;s making me crazy &#8211; lots of vague things like &#8220;found your blog on delicious&#8221; or &#8220;love this post&#8221; by people I don&#8217;t know.  Some are obvious, when they have products in their name.  Others not so, when it&#8217;s someone&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>Do you have advice?  Should I be ruling heavy handed or lightly?</p>
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		<title>By: 14 Links you should consider reading and thinking about &#124; Innovation in College Media</title>
		<link>http://www.greglinch.com/2010/01/thinking-while-linking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2170</link>
		<dc:creator>14 Links you should consider reading and thinking about &#124; Innovation in College Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Linkbaiting, thinking while linking and why link journalism requires more than just a URL - Greg Linch has an excellent post about researching sources when you are linking to something on the web. The key quote: Link journalism makes context easy in stories online. But the link in itself is not necessarily journalism — it’s what you do to verify its source and accuracy that makes it journalism and, thus, more valuable. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Linkbaiting, thinking while linking and why link journalism requires more than just a URL &#8211; Greg Linch has an excellent post about researching sources when you are linking to something on the web. The key quote: Link journalism makes context easy in stories online. But the link in itself is not necessarily journalism — it’s what you do to verify its source and accuracy that makes it journalism and, thus, more valuable. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Murley</title>
		<link>http://www.greglinch.com/2010/01/thinking-while-linking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2169</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Murley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good post, Greg. I&#039;m actually going to share this in my online journalism classes. I also got that e-mail, but my problem was a simpler one: I thought the list was too short and too 20th century. And it didn&#039;t even mention IF Stone or Hunter S. Thompson or Molly Ivins or ...

And Anderson Cooper? Really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good post, Greg. I&#8217;m actually going to share this in my online journalism classes. I also got that e-mail, but my problem was a simpler one: I thought the list was too short and too 20th century. And it didn&#8217;t even mention IF Stone or Hunter S. Thompson or Molly Ivins or &#8230;</p>
<p>And Anderson Cooper? Really?</p>
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		<title>By: Jan. 7 link roundup &#124; Write -30-</title>
		<link>http://www.greglinch.com/2010/01/thinking-while-linking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2164</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan. 7 link roundup &#124; Write -30-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up with linkbaiting, Publish2 producer Greg Linch reports Mahalo.com founder Jason Calcanis for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Greg Linch</title>
		<link>http://www.greglinch.com/2010/01/thinking-while-linking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2162</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Linch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mark. Your point about long-term value is spot-on: that site may get some hits today, but it&#039;s ephemeral popularity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mark. Your point about long-term value is spot-on: that site may get some hits today, but it&#8217;s ephemeral popularity.</p>
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		<title>By: Nine Steps to Verified Link Journalism &#187; Publish2 Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.greglinch.com/2010/01/thinking-while-linking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2161</link>
		<dc:creator>Nine Steps to Verified Link Journalism &#187; Publish2 Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A version of this post can also be found at The Linchpen. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://www.greglinch.com/2010/01/thinking-while-linking.html/comment-page-1#comment-2160</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m one of those who tweeted the iconic journalists list. Do I feel bad about that? Not a bit.

I did the visit the site before re-tweeting it: I always do. And once you had tweeted that you considered it linkbait, I tweeted that, too.

So the source was suspect, and they got a hit from me and, maybe, from some of the people who follow me. Their page rank (maybe) went up, but page ranks go down, too, when web sites don&#039;t deliver long-term value. You can only game the system for so long.

In the meantime, the post got me thinking about who would be on my list of iconic figures from journalism, something I wouldn&#039;t otherwise of been considering. And that reminds me that there are icons I need to keep pointing my students to.

Was visiting the site and RTing an act of responsible journalism? Of course not. Was it sharing information that I found to be of some interest, at least as a starting point to more thought and, perhaps, more conversation? Yes.

So, unlike your experience with the site, I did find value in it, linkbait or not.

(I find value in your post here, too, and will be pointing my students to it as well, as both a cautionary tale and a skillset for web sleuthing. And, no, that is not to suggest in any way that the two posts are of equal value.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of those who tweeted the iconic journalists list. Do I feel bad about that? Not a bit.</p>
<p>I did the visit the site before re-tweeting it: I always do. And once you had tweeted that you considered it linkbait, I tweeted that, too.</p>
<p>So the source was suspect, and they got a hit from me and, maybe, from some of the people who follow me. Their page rank (maybe) went up, but page ranks go down, too, when web sites don&#8217;t deliver long-term value. You can only game the system for so long.</p>
<p>In the meantime, the post got me thinking about who would be on my list of iconic figures from journalism, something I wouldn&#8217;t otherwise of been considering. And that reminds me that there are icons I need to keep pointing my students to.</p>
<p>Was visiting the site and RTing an act of responsible journalism? Of course not. Was it sharing information that I found to be of some interest, at least as a starting point to more thought and, perhaps, more conversation? Yes.</p>
<p>So, unlike your experience with the site, I did find value in it, linkbait or not.</p>
<p>(I find value in your post here, too, and will be pointing my students to it as well, as both a cautionary tale and a skillset for web sleuthing. And, no, that is not to suggest in any way that the two posts are of equal value.)</p>
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